tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post7515021378466073232..comments2015-05-04T08:04:06.331+03:00Comments on thesoundofreign: Feasting on the EvidenceAndrew de Beerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03081242887038284596noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-37055383848046881452010-04-29T16:37:49.640+03:002010-04-29T16:37:49.640+03:00Take the "have to's" off Gods people...Take the "have to's" off Gods people and the "want to's" will rise up...it might take a while but it will surely happen...<br /><br />Peace...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-37045472385015548362010-04-02T07:45:37.749+03:002010-04-02T07:45:37.749+03:00I had this thought this morning...
seems to me so...I had this thought this morning...<br /><br />seems to me some want to replace the law with<br /><br />"you must walk as Jesus did, healing all for He commanded it"<br /><br />when we place "must" on people instead of "can" or "you will", it's the law again.<br /><br />how many times does the word responsibility accur in the bible? do a word search, and see!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-24933217977155623142010-03-24T13:22:32.826+02:002010-03-24T13:22:32.826+02:00Hey,
Who is coming to Curry Blake when he is here...Hey,<br /><br />Who is coming to Curry Blake when he is here next month?<br /><br />He is widely regarded as one of the world's leading experts on divine healing. He loves Grace and has an awesome ability to spur believers into walking like Jesus with nothing other than a simple understanding of the Goodness of God, who we are in Christ and believing the word of God.<br /><br />Let me know if anyone is interested?<br /><br />Regards.<br /><br />KevinKevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-7389121768571335382010-03-22T16:23:43.384+02:002010-03-22T16:23:43.384+02:00"“Man has a natural aversion to grace. A pers..."“Man has a natural aversion to grace. A persistent turning away from grace is demonstrated biblically and historically….<br /><br />The unconditional free grace of God that brings us to the cross of Christ for all and any merit before God keeps us humble, which allows us to experience more grace: “But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: ‘God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble’ James 4:6. <br /><br />The slave woman of legalism and her son will always persecute the free woman of grace and her son Gal. 4:29. The two cannot co-exist or mix. Paul’s advice is to throw out the slave woman and her son Gal. 4:30. <br /><br />Watch carefully for the natural drift away from grace. Don’t try to compromise with legalism or anything that threatens the absolute free nature of grace. <br /><br />Rather, “Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage”"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-21772954942877848262010-03-15T16:28:51.652+02:002010-03-15T16:28:51.652+02:00Hi Kevin.
There are different anonymous people h...Hi Kevin. <br /><br />There are different anonymous people here, as i have not posted all the anonymous comments.<br /><br />As i said earlier. "Let’s not take the focus off that question ("Could we be in danger of presenting a self-indulgent gospel…?) because that in essence is what the gospel of grace has been accused of. Grace preachers might differ on “side issues” but they don’t differ on this fundamental, that when grace is preached properly (and ongoingly) the reaction is not passivity but holy action."<br /><br />Regards<br />The one in darkness (Just kidding, LOL ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-61328718573038379392010-03-15T13:49:37.674+02:002010-03-15T13:49:37.674+02:00Brother Ann,
You have seriously misunderstoond me...Brother Ann,<br /><br />You have seriously misunderstoond me and like I said before, I beleive we are closer in our thinking than you seem to convey. I trust you don't expect me to just embrace any teaching / doctrine based on the evidence of signs [which as we know are really for the unbeliever.] <br /><br />I am certain that as long as Benn, John , you ["anonymous" - people who hide in darkness don't have a revelation of the light - just kidding, lol ;-)] and I anchor ourselves in Jesus and the truth of the word then we shall all see signs and wonders as the prophet Joel prophesied. <br /><br />In the process, the Kingdom of God will be advanced and hell emptied. Regards Kevin<br /><br />P.S. The offer for coffee is still open.kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-89551584897718757332010-03-15T10:07:31.630+02:002010-03-15T10:07:31.630+02:00What was the main purpose of this post? It wasn...What was the main purpose of this post? It wasn't to discuss Benjamin Dunn and John Crowder's theology. It wasn't to discuss how much "work" they do. It was posted to show the awesomeness of the gospel, the finished work of the cross. Benjamin Dunn just happened to write it (as a matter of fact, some guys had to ask who the original author was). <br /><br />The original question raised was "Could we be in danger of presenting a self-indulgent gospel…? (I know the question was longer, but this is what it boils down to.)<br /><br />Benjamin Dunn and John Crowder might preach some stuff that's "out there" for some, but so does Rob Rufus, Andrew Wommack and Joseph Prince. Benjamin Dunn and John Crowder might believe some stuff that other grace preacher's don't believe, like (walking with little or no sin and immortality). On the walking with little or no sin part read Ryan Rufus's book "Do Christians have a sinful nature", he comes pretty close to saying the same thing; that we always have a way out of temptation. Immortality? Well let’s say, none of us are 120 years old yet, so let’s wait till we get there. Smoking the holy spiffy? C’mon, if you don’t like it, don’t do it. Irreverent? Again, Rob Rufus, Andrew Wommack and Joseph Prince have been accused of the same thing, like, how can they say a Holy God won’t judge a believers sin?<br /><br />As i said, the main issue with the post was this thing of passivity. Again I say, Rob Rufus, Andrew Wommack and Joseph Prince have been accused of the same thing...that "their" gospel message will cause people to become passive and lazy (and/or cause people to go out and sin)…<br /><br />Let’s not take the focus off that question because that in essence is what the gospel of grace has been accused of. Grace preachers might differ on “side issues” but they don’t differ on this fundamental, that when grace is preached properly (and ongoingly) the reaction is not passivity but holy action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-91281043021830040632010-03-13T10:48:07.318+02:002010-03-13T10:48:07.318+02:00What i would like to ask about signs is this:
You...What i would like to ask about signs is this:<br /><br />You dont believe in signs..ok.<br /><br />So here's where i get thinking.<br /><br />So on Sunday night while Ben was preaching the gospel, a diomond dropped on him.<br />My wife was worshipping to a cd and a feather dropped on her.<br />A couple were praying in bed and got covred in Gold dust.<br />Ben was preaching about Rom 6 , crucified with christ, and a guy got healed, walked for first time ever, covered in gold dust.<br />I watched oil run from Joshua Mills hand.<br />I saw Bill Johnson catch a feather while preaching.<br />lots of other things I could go on for houres..<br /><br />If they are not of God. They must be of Satan, and we are all deluded!<br /><br />Or do you have another theory?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-71985329180651044332010-03-13T10:36:50.517+02:002010-03-13T10:36:50.517+02:00Hi It's miss Ann again.
Kevin my bro, how can...Hi It's miss Ann again.<br /><br />Kevin my bro, how can you say you dont believe in signs?<br /><br />Check these scriptures.<br /><br />Acts 2:19:<br />And I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke; <br />Acts 2:22:<br />"Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know –<br />Acts 2:43:<br />And awe(Or fear) came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. <br />Acts 4:30:<br />while you stretch out your hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed through the name of your holy servant Jesus." <br /><br /> NOTE, HEAL AND SIGNS AND WONDERS!<br />Acts 5:12:<br />Now many signs and wonders were regularly done among the people by the hands of the apostles.<br />Acts 6:8:<br />And Stephen, full of grace and power, was doing great wonders and signs among the people.<br />Acts 8:6:<br />And the crowds with one accord paid attention to what was being said by Philip when they heard him and saw the signs that he did.<br />Acts 8:13:<br />Even Simon himself believed, and after being baptized he continued with Philip. And seeing signs and great miracles(Greek works of power) performed, he was amazed.<br />Acts 14:3:<br />So they remained for a long time, speaking boldly for the Lord, who bore witness to the word of his grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands.<br />Note graced, as opposed to healing which is as exercised right for believers. Signs are a GRACE.<br />Acts 15:12:<br />And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.<br />Romans 15:19:<br />by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God - so that from Jerusalem and all the way around to Illyricum I have fulfilled the ministry of the gospel of Christ;<br />II Corinthians 12:12:<br />The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with utmost patience, with signs and wonders and mighty works. INTERESTING ONE..SIGNS ARE A SIGN OF AN APOSTLE!<br /><br />Hebrews 2:4:<br />while God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.<br /><br />OVER AND ABOVE THAT THERE ARE SCRIPTURES TALKING ABOUT UNUSUAL MIRACLES:<br /><br />Acts 19:11:<br />And God was doing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, <br />Hebrews 2:4:<br />while God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will. <br /><br />EXTRAORDINARY MIRACLES, UNUSUAL MIRACLES.<br /><br />signs are clearly biblical!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-4126679857508297462010-03-12T17:23:50.282+02:002010-03-12T17:23:50.282+02:00you can watch the video of Indian and read more at...you can watch the video of Indian and read more at<br />http://www.thenewmystics.com/Groups/1000036234/Home_Page_of/Missions/Mission_Trips/Upcoming_Trips/Upcoming_Trips.aspxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-3157181548301646702010-03-12T17:21:44.976+02:002010-03-12T17:21:44.976+02:00A passive Gospel?
John & team just returned f...A passive Gospel?<br /><br />John & team just returned from India where we saw an amazing 100,000 decisions for Christ! This vast outpouring of salvations was accompanied by phenomenal miracles - the blind saw, the deaf heard and the lame walked. On the last night of the crusades, the team was attacked by a mob of angry Hindus. We also faced opposition from police as miracles began breaking out impromptu in the streets, but the Kingdom prevailed! <br /><br />WOW SIGN ME UP FOR THAT!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-11452377303202490582010-03-12T17:13:43.485+02:002010-03-12T17:13:43.485+02:00Dear An,
What is very clear is we both believe in...Dear An,<br /><br />What is very clear is we both believe in Grace and that nothing will ever be accomplished by our striving.<br />You like the way Benn and John do things - I dont necessarily. We both like the results of people being set free in the name of Jesus.<br />You dont like "feeling pressurised" into looking after the needs of mankind, I have no problem with just doing what the word says and I take a strong position on believer's responsibility to mankind, you agree in principle but not as "strongly". <br /><br />You believe that "spiritual drunkenness" is biblical [Acts 2 reference] I dont. We both believe in being filled by the Holy Spirit and manifesting who He is as outlined in scripture. You believe in other manifestations of the Holy Spirit which I believe are not in scripture.<br /><br />We both love spending time with Dad.<br /><br />We both celebrate in every victory against the kingdom of darkness.<br /><br />Actually I think what we believe is closer than you probably think.<br /><br />Losing Joel was huge but it was understanding the Gospel that moulded me. You too have been moulded by it.<br /><br />You press on doing what you are doing brother. I have some battles to fight and my daughter wants to show me her hand stands.<br /><br />Be blessed.<br /><br />Kevin<br /><br />PS....AWESOME TESTIMONEY OF THE KID IN WALMART - THAT SURE IS BLISSKevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-76866993697322650622010-03-12T16:49:22.992+02:002010-03-12T16:49:22.992+02:00Troy your right bro.. i do love that
"In the...Troy your right bro.. i do love that<br /><br />"In these last days He does not overcome darkness as an on-going process, He has already done so, WE access that victory and advance it, AWESOME HEY..." I schmaak it!<br /><br />so really the voice speaks into the darkness, and that voice is US !<br /><br />our voice says what?<br /> "...but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son...".<br /><br />We proclaim christ, and all he has done (spoken) for us!<br /><br />Thanks for that...we never have to fight, only assurt His victory!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-70566003750450812782010-03-12T16:25:58.538+02:002010-03-12T16:25:58.538+02:00Me and my wife were discussing this yesterday....
...Me and my wife were discussing this yesterday....<br /><br />Is it biblically correct for believers to take full responsibility when a sick person is not healed? <br /> <br />We all agree that the source of sin and sickness is Satan and his demonic crew. But surely we also blame him for the lack of revelation that has kept the "revealed mystery" of Christ hidden for thousands of years from the majority of believers. Surely we blame Satan for false doctrines that have been taught in the church undermining the gospel that has lead us to be ineffective in dealing with the enemy and walking in truth. Surely he has blinded our eyes up till now? <br /> <br />Haven't there been religious spirits and spirits of witchcraft at work in the body through the ages? They have been having a ball trying to derail us and "talk the talk"... the self-righteous talk that I thank Jesus I am now starting to see as I look with spiritual eyes once again and refuse to have the religious-self-righteous wool pulled over them again because the SPIRIT in me is not witnessing with THAT!!! YAAAAY!!<br /> <br />Why have we left Satan out of the equation and handed this responsibility over to believers... ARE WE NOT BEING TRICKED BY HIM ONCE AGAIN? <br /> <br />(Shame poor little Sheepie are being blamed for being taught wrong!!)<br /> <br />This has been preached outrightly to believers with no question. Believers are left after praying for a sick person who is not healed wrestling with why what "he did" did not work. Is that believer meant to carry that experience around with him and use it as "anger fuel" to take on the enemy for the next 50 years of their life? At what point do you let "your responsibility" go and then fully embrace your Father's love and find healing. I find the two hard to put together. <br /> <br />Aren't we putting heavies on people?? Are we aloud to do that??? The gospel is one of freedom and if the opposite is happening then something must be wrong with that! <br />Honestly, the love of God compels us to post these thoughts..<br /><br />Much LoveSean and Jannine Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11424415789206899980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-62434038702962443882010-03-12T14:12:10.599+02:002010-03-12T14:12:10.599+02:00John Crowder...
A kid the other day just told me ...John Crowder...<br /><br />A kid the other day just told me he got whacked up on the Most High at one of our meetings, then went to Wal-Mart and pulled a paralyzed lady out of a wheelchair then led 34 people to the Lord off the back of it. Not sure if the mixed fruit there would be the healing of paralysis or the 34 saved souls! But we’re not boasting in any of this stuff. We boast in the finished works of Jesus, and that’s why we see this stuff happen. We are resting from our labors, losing ourselves in the bliss of God and fruit happens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-90698062400983741202010-03-12T09:39:21.285+02:002010-03-12T09:39:21.285+02:00Hi anonymous,
I love your enthusiasm and your per...Hi anonymous,<br /><br />I love your enthusiasm and your perspective in this last comment, Here's a recent revelation i have received, and i think you will actually enjoy it:<br /><br />You said, "...it is the voice of the Lord that speaks to the darkness and turns it into light."<br />How's this for an awesome truth, in Hebrews 1:1 we see the author say, "Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets...", this tells me that in the old covenant God was constantly dealing with issues on an on-going basis ("...in MANY TIMES and in many ways..."), however, he then says, "...but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son...".<br />Here we see a work complete - "...in these last days He HAS SPOKEN...".<br /><br />In these last days He does not overcome darkness as an on-going process, He has already done so, WE access that victory and advance it, AWESOME HEY.Troy Thackwrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04552927528342514252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-63984127610405851572010-03-12T08:55:35.052+02:002010-03-12T08:55:35.052+02:00Part 3
You say further:
I never saw Jesus once hea...Part 3<br />You say further:<br />I never saw Jesus once heal a soul with gold dust or precious stones – just his hands or his words.<br />No where in scripture is the Kingdom of God likened to some sailor’s drunken experience that produces in its wake signs and wonders? The defining moment of the disciples receiving the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost had the “appearance of drunkenness” to Jews from every nation under heaven, but Peter quickly corrects this in Acts 2:15 saying “these men are not drunk as you suppose”. <br /><br />1) Peter did not bring a correction but an explination. They reason they appered drunk, was because they appeared drunk. He did not correct as you state but rather, explain.<br />2) signs and wonders were often part of the disciples ministry. Many would come and see, and many placed faith when signs wonders and miracles accompanied the gospel. I agree the gospel is the thing. But to say "No where in scripture is the Kingdom of God likened to some sailor’s drunken experience that produces in its wake signs and wonders? "<br /><br />That is exactly what happened!<br />Acts 2:22:<br />: we see signs wonders and miracles attesting the message!<br />Acts 4:30:<br />while you stretch out your hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed through the name of your holy servant Jesus<br /><br />: here we see healing, and signs and wonders. They were all part and parcel of the gospel being presented.<br /><br />Even Jesus said, if you dont believe, then believe based on what i do. <br /><br />Wherever there are signs, God approves. Where do signs come from..God. If they are there and you dont like them..well God made them, so you dont agree then, with something God himself released.<br /><br />you say:<br />Men and woman so inebriated in the Spirit that they couldn’t help liberate themselves from the floor let alone a cripple in a wheelchair. The “drunken analogy” has become the spiritual reality and priority.<br /><br />hmmm nasty! as one who does this i feel your condemnation and disaproval!<br />Everything has a place, you say that you fall down and laugh your head off etc. I caould say, "your so busy laughing your head off, how does that advance the kingdom, you should be out there healing a young boy who is dying and staring you in the eyes loking for help"...<br /><br />I have a video of Ben preaching drunk, and a guy gets out of a wheelchair and walk for the first time in His life, just from hearing the Gospel! he was also covered in Gold dust!<br />How do you know these drunkards are not doing more miracles than you? Some are!<br />since when did drunken=ineffective?<br />Some of the best miracles ive seen and done, were by drunk in the spirit people. People by the way who know the prescious truth of being indwelt. We see the disciples eating with Jesus...how terrible, they shuold have been out there obeying His caommands to heal the sick and deliver etc.<br /><br />Amen brother....and it all starts and ends with the gosepl. The gosple strenghtens us, empowers us, motivates us and releases us. The motive love. Not fear, not assignment, not past failure or traged, not the loss of a loved one. Love. otherwise clang clang.<br /><br />The entire sozo of the gosepl is His goal. <br />Complete wholeness, which includes healing, but only a part of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-70491763469950743532010-03-12T08:55:35.051+02:002010-03-12T08:55:35.051+02:00Part 2
your quote:
My experience however, has sho...Part 2<br /><br />your quote:<br />My experience however, has shown that miracles don’t just follow those who simply put their faith and trust in the Gospel<br /><br />unbiblical<br />Gal 3<br />2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? <br />Miracles flowed from believing what they heard, the Gospel.(must be right gospel)<br /><br />your quote<br />I wonder if the writer would still be saying this staring at the lifeless body of his 8 year old son in a small white wooden box?<br /><br />I am sad for your loss 18 months ago...but i think you are letting your tragedy mould you, which can be good, but it can be bad if the burden to heal others becomes entirly yours. A burden you might overextend to others.<br /><br />You write that we need to avoid what happened in September 2008. Well if you take your responsibility serious, you can go down the road to Albert Luthuli, every day, and heal the cancer patients there. Sparing others the trauma, after all its our responsibility. <br />This is the only logical end of this teaching.<br /><br />you write<br />We spend hours fixated on all forms of “spiritual manifestations” which do precious little to setting captives free and advancing God’s Kingdom<br /><br />how can spending time with Him, ever really be a bad thing. I believe regular encounters and saoking and spiritual manifestations, can strenghten and prepare us from many things in life..including advancing His kingdom. Mary/Marthy is a classic example. I agree all we need is the right gosple, but you know we can be with Him, just to be with eachother. It's called realtionship. Now dont go "it's not all about saoking", im not saying that, im saying that intimacy, waiting, experiace in and with Him, can aid building the kingdom. I suspect you spent time also, intimacy with Him. Jesus did with the father. Often, and who has been more effective than Him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-4275983577394254772010-03-12T08:53:18.009+02:002010-03-12T08:53:18.009+02:00Part 1
here are some of your quotes from your blog...Part 1<br />here are some of your quotes from your blogg:<br /><br />The writer of the above article makes the Gospel out to be a “happy message”- nowhere in scripture is the good news likened to some kiddies programme like the Teletubbies<br /><br />Q: How who said anyting about teletubbies? I think John might find your comments here a bit wierd. I do! <br /><br />Luke 24:52:Jeremiah 15:16:Romans 14:17:<br /><br />The gospel produces joy. Yes sometimes when i see the gosepl i feel like a teletubby on steriods! i wanna sing, dance, jump, and run out and tell the world how great the gospel is.<br /><br />Does our responsibility cancell joy?Cant we have both.<br /><br />your quote:<br />The miraculous becomes effortless, signs and wonders become a lifestyle and our lives begin to resemble our victorious King when he graced this earth as the Son of Man. Now that is good news that should make you very happy.<br /><br />q: OK so now happy is ok?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-43242773904470362492010-03-11T15:26:37.328+02:002010-03-11T15:26:37.328+02:00The Gospel is the declaration of freedom from all ...The Gospel is the declaration of freedom from all sin, sickness, disease, depression and death and it is the voice of the Lord that speaks to the darkness and turns it into light.<br /><br />To know the Gospel as anything less than this is tragic. Unless it is known and drunk down in its entirety, its benefits will never be realized.<br /><br /><br />Benn DunnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-30252756809315454502010-03-11T15:14:08.155+02:002010-03-11T15:14:08.155+02:00Sean,
Thanks for your comments.
You are 100% rig...Sean,<br /><br />Thanks for your comments.<br /><br />You are 100% right...what we believe will manifest. That's why I place such importance on what the word says. Given the choice, I would rather people hear Christ preached than not - even Paul said the same thing. Yet he also placed emphasis on there being only one Gospel.<br /><br />I have absolutely no issue with being drunk in the Holy Spirit, falling down flat on my face and laughing myself silly...I do that regularly - never at the expense of truth.<br />Thats all I am trying to say bud.<br /><br />Sean, maybe I have a different view to most...when error in doctrine is the cause of your only son dying,you kinda give it priority. I wont apologise for that. When Jesus told the rich young ruler to sell everything he had, it offended him because he was being asked to give up what brought him great pleasure. I wont compromise truth no matter how much joy and pleasure or freedom I experience in my walk with God.<br /><br />Remember, it is truth that sets you free not experiences. Awesome spiritual experiences come because the truth of the Good News has set you free. I think we agree on that. <br /><br />Bud, I think the biggest thing most Christians struggle with is the issue of their God given responsibility to their fellow man. I have yet to have one person through a sound exegesis of scripture disprove that. This is not just about healing, it covers every aspect of human life. Through the church, the manifold wisdom of God is being made known. It has to be truth that has ultimately activated Heidi, Randy, Ben and John and not a spiritual soaking /experience. Paul probably had one of the most radical encounters with God of all time. Yet he doesn't prescribe a Damascus road experience for every believer to be saved. <br /><br />Under the influence of the Holy Spirit he pens the bulk of the New Testament which has become the basis of what we believe today.In his letter to the Romans in the 16th verse of the first chapter he says "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of GOD for salvation to everyone who believes"<br /><br />"Soteria [gk] to everyone who believes"- what a thing!<br />For 15 years I never knew what that meant because it wasnt taught or preached and neither had I given the Holy Spirit opportunity to lead and guide me into all truth. Whether it is with Holy Locomotion or without the truth must be preached so that ordinary brothers like you and me will never have to face the sight we faced in September 2008<br /><br />Surely that is worth fighting for?<br /><br />Regards KevKevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-40305642953242735192010-03-11T15:12:17.154+02:002010-03-11T15:12:17.154+02:00Outside of smashing the law, is Paul (or other NT ...Outside of smashing the law, is Paul (or other NT writers) ever misunderstood for ENFORCING ACTION?<br />...perhaps the twin question to think about when trying to answer the previous question earlier in this thread of comments...Troy Thackwrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04552927528342514252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-20003109064539187612010-03-11T13:44:13.022+02:002010-03-11T13:44:13.022+02:00Dear Ann Onymous
Thanks for your comments.
Bud, ...Dear Ann Onymous<br /><br />Thanks for your comments.<br /><br />Bud, why dont you ask the people who minister the Good News with me as to whether I do it out of love or performance. They know and so do those who are the recipients of God's grace that is administered through me.<br /><br />When Jesus came proclaiming the Good News, it was offensive to many. You see, the Gospel requires the believer to die and for Christ to rule and reign in Him. Most Christians never do that and as a result live lives empty of partaking in the Divine nature.<br /><br />You say I knock down everyone different to me. By that I take it you refer to doctrine.<br />Why may I ask did Paul say there is no other Gospel. Why does Jesus place so much emphasis on His words? You see Ann, somebody's right and somebody's wrong. There can't be two Gospels [Gal 1:7] or we are headed into moral relativism. History shows that thousands of cults were started for that very reason. Now before you accuse me again, I am not saying that Heidi,Randy, Ben and John are running cults all I am saying is lets make the word our highest authority. <br /><br />By the way, I have never said I dont thank God for our brothers and sister mentioned above. I have been to the Iris foundation and heard many of their testimonies. Does this mean I have to agree with what they preach or teach? Why do you place such pressure on me to just accept everything they say?I have read their books, listened to their sermons and teachings. Does that mean I have to embrace everything they believe because of what they do. Surely you dont prescribe that to everyone? Using your thinking,I can introduce you to men and woman of God whose lives are one supernatural, miraculous adventure, but here's the thing - they would not embrace some of Hiedi's nor John's doctrinal perspectives either. According to you, we should just embrace what they believe. What a mess this will be for the church? <br /><br />Am I supposed to pray? should I soak first? is it my responsibility? Should I wait for a special leading? Is is God's fault? Did he die becuase there is sin in my life? Should I lick his head? Should I lay hands? Am I cursed?<br /><br />I think you get the picture..... <br /><br />Let me ask you this... Does God give us room to mess with one letter or dot or tittle of His word? We know the answer [I hope]. Then neither will I. Yet you make me out to be lacking in Grace because I choose to do what my Father says. Well I suppose you believe God lacks Grace then too.<br /><br />Ann, now watch my lips....I am stoked that Ben and Heidi will be touching the lives of thousands this year - God knows the workers are few and for those who know me, I rejoice for every life changing moment.<br /><br />You unfortunately mistake my passion for the word of God as a lack of Grace for others and a lacking in love. How far out does something have to be before it begins costing people their lives? Would you be prepared to risk it?<br /><br />The bible says my people perish for lack of knowledge. Lets not make our ignorance of the word the reason for people perishing. <br /><br />Why Ann, may I ask, is it that you never address any of the scriptural references I make? Is there no relvance to them in this discussion or does it all boil down to opinion? Bud, if I am in error, then please show me so that I can make the necessary changes.<br /><br />By the way for someone who seems to know me, why the secrecy around your identity. I would love to pray for you too, but not quite sure what to say /pray....<br /><br />Here's a suggestion, why dont we meet and discuss this with Bibles open and some coffee in hand?Kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-11623029167647096702010-03-11T09:17:53.395+02:002010-03-11T09:17:53.395+02:00Sorry to interject here.. I agree with you 100% Ke...Sorry to interject here.. I agree with you 100% Kevin… Who seriously thinks setting people free is wrong?? We all agree with that mate.. My son had a sentence of death over his life over a year ago and he was healed by the laying on of our hands (that’s just one of many testimonies)… I do not want to be mistaken with someone who doesn’t believe in seeing people healed and just overflowing into others lives. Heck No, but the enemy IS defeated and He will try at anything to make you feel he is NOT defeated – how do we come to know He is defeated?… hear and belive the Gospel! To me, I can see my son healed, but he can still remain a captive because He doesn’t believe in the Finished work of the cross.. Something I have realized is that just because people are healed of a physical ailment doesn’t mean they are not captives anymore... (Please don’t hear what I’m not saying) The war is in our minds, we need to preach the Gospel of His grace (Christ crucified and finished work) OVER AND OVER AND OVER not just for 3 months and then “Move on”, because it’s a FOUNDATION that we will believe not just an Encounter or moment or great thought. Ultimately what we believe we will manifest. The argument isn’t.. I am all works and you are all faith… Its works OF Faith. I am amped for more of God, whatever He wants to do.. Im not going to limit myself because of insecurities or fear of falling off the table (Seriously what is that) and Im also not going to criticize others who are doing amazing things and are on our team… Bring on the Drunken joy that keeps me Heavenly minded and full of Love for others and peaceful in the storms! We need to loosen up, and “Seriously” have FUN.. Im amped for more HOLY Locomotion’s in our meetings.. I don’t care if its Hype or not, as long as we are breaking religious mindsets by letting ourselves EXPRESS our FREEEEEEDOM.. <br /><br />Come on now! <br /><br />Much love<br />SeanSean and Jannine Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11424415789206899980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6873354038529957739.post-66863332421352252542010-03-11T07:02:00.942+02:002010-03-11T07:02:00.942+02:00Kevin..
Everything you say is true..
Still dont ...Kevin..<br /><br />Everything you say is true..<br /><br />Still dont understand why you have to knock down, everyone else differant to you...<br /><br />Heidi and Randy...do miracles but then you attack theology..curses.<br /><br />Ben and John you embrace neither theology or practice.<br /><br />One december Randy planted 1000 churches in Russia! He has seen thousands of healings world wide.<br />Heidi planted 9000 churches, hondreds of thousands saved. More healings thatn you can imagine. Her motive love.<br /><br />You attack Ben and John for Holy Spirit ministry.<br /><br />You speak against soaking. Against Encounters...<br /><br />Read your blog post and your comments about everyone else.<br /><br />Seems to me that anyone who does not have your theology, exact. And do all your saying they sould, you dissaprove of.<br /><br />By the way i see you have 6 followers on your blog...<br /><br /><br />i believe love is our motivatior, and not responsibility/assignment.<br /><br />You seem to leave no room for differances, no grace for anything but what you see.<br /><br />I know you lost a son, many have had tragedy, and stared loved ones in the eyes.<br /><br />You know Kevin, you can do "every good work", in a way that loves others, and makes them also want to do it....<br /><br />Personally based on your assumptions and comments, and the disaproval i can clearly see in your words..i'm tempted to move away from what you are preaching.<br /><br />If doing the works of Jesus means I have to be so disaproving of so many other things..I dont want to be part of that.<br /><br />Why not say..praise God for Ben, and John, and Bill, and Heidi..(and me)..and praise God for the millions changed, healed and saved through theor lives.<br />Praise God for the joy, freedom and love they bring to the body.<br /><br />You say you dont need increase...will Paul writes to the thessalonian church and commends them for growing in love.<br /><br />I still pray for increase for you bro..more miracles to flow out you, more revalation, more power to flow..that you would be the very embodiment of "those who believe will do greater".<br />I pray your heart for healing and doing every good work would increase, and that you would see entire hospitals emptied, and million more deaf ears opened.<br /><br />I hate generational curses...but i would go see Heidi any day..i will learn from her.<br />Her book "compelled by love" is awesome...<br /><br />Ben will be with her for a week in June...they will feed 5000 a day, preach the gospel and see thousands healed and saved...while we sit here, see the odd miracle and critisize their theology and practive...there is something wrong with that, me thinks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com